| Kelly
Joe Phelps on finding a world with a "SKY LIKE A BROKEN
CLOCK".
Kelly
Joe Phelps has released three solo albums prior to his new
SKY LIKE A BROKEN CLOCK
.
On each of those albums starting in 1994, he has found new
ground to break. This constant challenge within him is what
makes him a true artist and not just a musician.
On
this new album KJP has put an even higher level of focus
on his colorful image provoking story telling. Let's listen
as KJP takes us through the process of the making of the
album SKY LIKE A BROKEN CLOCK.
Interview:
October 2001
For
those unfamiliar with Kelly Joe Phelps history: Kelly Joe
spent his early guitar playing years as a jazz player. In
the early 90's he made a life-changing discovery in the
blues music of players like Mississippi Fred McDowell. He
adopted a different style of slide guitar playing by laying
his acoustic guitar face-up on his lap. He started singing
for the first time. Those first few years were spent exploring
traditional blues tunes. In 1994, he received national exposure
when he released an album on Burnside records called LEAD
ME ON. The album featured traditional songs and
Kelly Joe Phelps originals all played with just KJP's guitar
and vocal in a blues style. In 1997, he released his second
album called ROLL
AWAY THE STONE for Rykodisc records. This one focused
on original and traditional spiritual songs. On this album
KJP started perfecting his unique slide guitar style as
well as playing the conventional 6-string guitar on some
songs. By this point KJP was attracting a lot of attention
in the music industry specifically as a virtuoso slide guitar
player. It tended to overshadow his conventional guitar
playing and songwriting. On each of KJP's albums, he has
found new ground to break. This constant challenge within
him is what makes him a true artist and not just a musician.
On
his third album, 1999's SHINE
EYED MR. ZEN, Kelly Joe showed that he had perfected
his lap slide style and as he said, "I took it as far
as I could go, and felt I made it there." More attention
was paid to his lyric writing; telling stories in the tradition
of the old Mountain folk tunes. Musically, his slide and
straight guitar occupy equal ground on the record.
After releasing three albums playing and singing solo, he
decided his next album would be very different. In his constant
progression, the next focus would intensify on his story
telling lyrics and rely on musical support from only his
conventional guitar and no slide guitar. In this interview
Kelly discusses the transition into SKY LIKE A BROKEN CLOCK
and the making of the album.
Billy
Davis (BD): What were your
goals or early plans for the new SKY LIKE A BROKEN CLOCK
album?
Kelly
Joe Phelps : My Primary focus after SHINE
EYED MR. ZEN was songwriting with a lyrical focus. I put
out three solo CDs, because I always felt that there was
more guitar work that wanted to get out of me and on record.
With SHINE EYED MR. ZEN, I felt like I had gotten to the
place I was trying to get to. This left me open to concentrate
specifically on the words for the new album. When I started
looking over the songs I was writing before, I started feeling
like the lyric side was the weakest part of the package.
So, my musical energies turned to trying to figure out a
way to write words that fit me, rather than trying to emulate
great songwriters. I felt like I had involved myself that
way as a guitar player; the kind of guitar player that has
transcended his influences, and ended up finding a particular
voice. I say 'honest' but when I say that, I mean that -
when I play guitar, it sounds like me and not like any other
guitar player. That's what I wanted to do with the songwriting
- to find a way to use words that I could stand behind.
BD
: Were there any songs that were lost in the transition
when you made that decision to change your songwriting?
I remember a song called WHISKEYHEAD that
you played often live, then abandoned and never recorded.
KJP
: There were a few songs that I left alone because they
just never settled in. I'm not sure they were a good set
of lyrics on that one, but some other songs, I may go back
to.
BD:
Was there a conscious decision made to leave the lap slide
guitar off this record?
KJP:
It wasn't a conscious decision. Most of these songs started
off as three to five page short stories. I had to edit them
down. As I was going through this new songwriting process,
I was ignoring the guitar and music completely. I was doing
that for a number of reasons; I enjoyed it very much just
sitting down and writing - A way to be creative. Playing
around with words was great fun for me and there was a certain
way I could handle them that I thought was different. Once
I started taking some of these characters out of the stories
and editing them into songs - all of the musical ideas kept
showing up on the regular guitar and not on the slide. It
seemed like the straight guitar was better supporting the
lyrics. The only time I consciously thought about it was
when the songs were written and I asked myself if I could
potentially do this record without slide and was that a
good idea or not? But I had to throw out worrying about
it. If I would have said, 'I need a slide song,' then I
would have lost all the ground I gained. I would be going
back to starting with the guitar on songwriting and there
wouldn't be any continuity there. I wanted to stay with
the way the impulse was going.
BD:
This new album centers on a Trio sound with you on guitar
and vocals, Larry Taylor on string bass,
and Billy Conway on drums. Were you writing
any songs with the band situation in mind?
KJP:
No. They were all written as solo pieces. I started talking
to producer George Howard about using other
musicians, but I wasn't sure how much solo stuff was gonna
be on the record. I was still gonna tour as a solo artist.
BD:
What influenced your more lyrically focused songwriting?
KJP:
When I decided that it probably wasn't going to be good
or effective to study songwriters, I started going to literary
sources for ideas and inspiration. I was reading Nelson
Algren, whose most famous book is THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN
ARM. I read almost everything he has ever written, but at
the time of my songwriting, I only read two of his books.
They were really inspirational. He has a really unique way
of dealing with characters in situations. It has a combination
of beautiful poetry and a strong dark street sense about
it too, which is a great combination of things. Then this
Norwegian writer called Knut Hamsun from the early part
of the 1900's. He paints very stark landscapes and populates
them with only a few Characters. He takes a hot needle or
sharp knife and cuts every piece out of these characters.
There are a lot of great writers who do things with characters,
but Knut Hamsun's gift was that he was intensely critical
- meaning - how minute his details would be. He was a big
inspiration. Then there are poets like Wallace Stevens and
Dylan Thomas, who I love so much. They have such 'a music'
and 'a strength' in their words. They use so much color,
that sometimes you don't understand what they are getting
at but there is an atmosphere that you are getting pulled
into and your having an experience that you cant explain
through the way that the words are reacting to each other.
BD:
What did you expect musicians could bring to your songs
and the recordings?
KJP:
It wasn't a matter of wanting musicians to cover territory
that I wasn't gonna cover. It was a matter of wanting other
musical textures to broaden the experience for someone listening.
To give the songs more voices. But in the studio, the musicians
did a lot for me as well. Because we recorded the record
live, we were responding to each other. That's why we had
much fun making the record. We were involved intensely in
each other as musicians, which is something I hoped would
happen. Because of them, I was able to get farther inside
a song.
BD:
What did producer George Howard contribute to an album that
was mostly recorded live?
KJP:
Because our trio of musicians was in the studio so immersed
in the music, he was able to listen and notice things going
in a wrong direction or changing the character of the song.
George would come and offer up a lot of suggestions and
ideas to keeping us in line. He was able to come in objectively,
but there wasn't much of that. His role was important and
he even said when the record was finished, "I wish all records
were this easy to make." It's because we were all on the
right page. It was a nice company because everybody was
throwing ideas around including Larry, and Billy, as well
as the engineer. It was very organic.
BD:
Give us a quick overview of what was covered each day of
the three-day recording process?
KJP:
The first day we all showed up at the studio on a big farmland
called Long View Farms at noon. It's the kind of studio
that you stay there for the duration. They have cooks; you
have your own room, phone, and the whole deal. There is
a big soundstage studio for rock bands and then a smaller
studio for mixing where people like myself can record. We
all introduced ourselves because we had never met, then
George Howard sat us down and talked about the musical approach.
We were to record from 3 Pm until whenever we drop. In the
morning we listen to tracks recorded the previous day. We
planned to spend the first couple of days rehearsing stuff
- figuring out how to approach it. That was cool, because
we had two weeks scheduled. So that first day we headed
into what would be a tow day rehearsal time. David Henry,
the engineer was setting up the studio and we started checking
sounds. I wish I could remember what the first song was;
it could have been FLASHCARDS or TAYLOR
JOHN . We started rehearsing it and George ran
in and said, "I think were gonna start taping." Because
those guys are great improvisers, we started taping immediately.
They had heard demos of me playing solo. I brought in loosely
sketched charts, lyric sheets, and basic chord motions if
they wanted to follow it. They are such good musicians so
it came together rather quickly.
BD:
So when were the solo versions done without the band like
on TOMMY and BEGGERS OIL?
KJP:
Those were done after the fact, but BEGGER'S OIL was a song
I decided to record solo even before everyone left the studio.
There are recorded band versions also of both of those tunes.
I thought they weren't working well with the band, so I
thought I should do them solo. So, I recorded them after
all the other tracks were done. On BEGGER'S OIL, I didn't
like the way the rhythm aspect of the song was coming out.
It was turning out totally different than what I intended.
I realized that it had to be handled like a mountain banjo
tune, which is why I played it on the National Steel guitar.
That was a three-in-the-morning idea. I couldn't sleep,
and I was listening to it on headphones and it occurred
to me that it should be like an old time banjo tune. So
I got up early that morning and David was up so we threw
up and mike and went for it. TOMMY was sort of the same
felling, but I now go back and forth on whether the band
or solo version should have been on the record. But both
of those band versions are coming out on the BEGGER'S
OIL EP that Rykodisc is putting out in January
2002.
BD:
What equipment did you use in the studio of interest?
KJP:
I played a Gibson 1947 that I bought just for the recording
of this album. I loved the sound of it but right now it
needs its neck reset, so its sitting at home waiting to
go to the guitar repair shop. And Beggars Oil was recorded
with a National Steel guitar. All the guitars were recorded
with microphones - no direct lines at all.
BD:
How did you come about having a Cello player on the album?
KJP
: The Cello player was David Henry, the engineer. He's a
real good cello player and does lots of session work. He
listened and could hear where some great cello parts would
fit so he overdubbed some great stuff just by ear. It's
on CLEMINTINE, TAYLOR JOHN, and FLEASHINE.
BD:
I see a liner note credit to a Harmonica player named Jim
Fitting. What track is that on?
KJP:
It's on GOLDTOOTH and its just one note.
There is a spot where the band breaks down and you hear
this warble sound thing. He was a great player, but the
sound didn't fit. So, in the end we kept just that one note.
BD:
How did the BEGGER'S OIL EP idea happen?
KJP:
I'm touring Europe in January. The record originally came
out in June, so the European office of Rykodisc came up
with the idea of putting the EP together to send to press
and radio - to re-interest everyone in the record. Knowing
that we had these unreleased tracks gave us a good chance
to get them out. The US office thought it was a great idea
as a companion to the record.
BD:
Lets go through the new songs on the EP. DON QUIXOTE'S
WINDMILL is a great song. How did it not make full-length
record?
KJP:
I thought it made a good solo piece but not a good band
piece. I didn't do a solo version because I had done enough
solo songs already on the record. There is a lot of stuff
that I record that I think its terrible, but other people
say is great. So what I am doing with this EP is essentially
(saying), "I have hated so much of my stuff in the past,
now I'm just gonna leave it up to you guys to decide if
it's good."
BD:
Another song is FRANKENSTEIN PARTY OF THREE YOUR
TABLE IS NOW READY. This song is very different
than any song you have ever done. Here the backing band
is driving you.
KJP:
We were hanging out late after recording and we started
goofing off and improvised what ever came to mind. While
I was on tour preceding the recording session, I had picked
up a little typewriter along the way and I was writing things.
The lyric to FRANKENSTEIN was a loose poem I had written,
and I had it in my bag so we spun it into a tune. The melody
came out completely spontaneously.
BD:
There is one live song on there where you play lap slide
guitar?
KJP:
Yes, That's THE LASSE OF LOCHE ROYAL, a
traditional tune that I play in my shows. A lot of people
have asked for that one.
BD:
We have heard that you have some gigs scheduled with the
Trio.
KJP:
Yes, Larry Taylor and Billy Conway will join me for some
shows on the west coast and the east coast of the US in
2002. I expect some songs will be me solo, and some with
the band in the show. There are a lot of things I do on
the slide that they could fall right into - it will light
a fire under them. They are such great players it should
be easy, but ultimately I'm not sure what will happen on
those band dates, which to me is the exciting part. I'm
looking forward to it.
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